>> THE COLCOM FOUNDATION, THE E. RHODES AND LEONA B. CARPENTER FOUNDATION AND THE CHARLES A. FRUEAUFF FOUNDATION.

>> THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: FIRST, THE #METOO MOVEMENT IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THEN, SHOULD THE U.S. WOMEN'S SOCCER TEAM BE PAID MORE THAN ITS MALE COUNTERPART?

LAST, THE OLD GIRL GUARD VERSUS THE NEW GIRL GUARD IN CONGRESS.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, LABOR SECRETARY ALEX ACOSTA WILL RESIGN.

SO HAS THE #METOO MOVEMENT MADE PROGRESS DISMANTLING ON OF THE WORST FORMS OF FEMALE DISCRIMINATION: SEX TRAFFICKING OF YOUNG GIRLS?

LABOR SECRETARY ACOSTA BROKERED AN ASTOUNDINGLY WEAK, SOME WOULD SAY CRUEL TO THE VICTIMS PUNISHED A DECADE AGO WITH SEX OFFENDER JEFFERY EPSTEIN WHEN ACOSTA WAS THE U.S ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA.

ACOSTA HAS REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE VICTIMS, SAYING EPSTEIN MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN NO JAIL TIME BUT FOR THE PLEA DEAL.

IN ACOSTA'S WORDS b WORLD.

TODAY'S WORLD TREATS VICTIMS VERY, VERY DIFFERENTLY.b MONTHS IN JAIL BUT WAS ALLOWED TO BE CHAUFFEURED TO HIS OFFICE TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK.

EPSTEIN WAS RECENTLY ARRESTED ON FEDERAL SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES IN NEW YORK.

>> Bonnie: SO CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, IS ACOSTA'S RESIGNATION DUE TO MORAL PRESSURE OR POLITICAL PRESSURE?

>> BY PUBLIC OPINION, TRUMP, WHO IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION, COULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED THIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS OWN RECORD WITH WOMEN AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

>> IT'S A COMBINATION OF MORAL AND POLITICAL.

HE IS A FAILED PROSECUTOR AND HE KNOWS IT WILL COME BACK AND HAUNT HIM AS WELL AS HIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, CLEARLY, HE NEEDED TO GO.

HE'S NEEDED TO PAY A PRICE HE HAD NOT PAID.

THE SENATE REPUBLICANS SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THIS IN THE VETTING PROCESS BEFORE THEY CONFIRMED HIM.

AS LABOR SECRETARY, I AM DISAPPOINTED AND INFURIATED THEY DIDN'T.

BUT THE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, HE IS TRYING TO DEFLECT ATTENTION FROM HIS OWN BEHAVIOR SO HE MADE ACOSTA RESIGN.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, SEX CRIMES ARE ONE OF THE HARDEST CRIMES TO PROSECUTE, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE EVER SINCE THE '90s WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS THE FIRST SEXUAL PREDATOR THAT I KNEW WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP.

SO THIS IS TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

>> I WENT TO GET BACK TO YOUR POINT, HILLARY, I AM SO SICK OF SEEING THESE GUYS GET APPOINTED AND THEN IT COMES OUT THAT THEY LIED OR THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE FBI MISSED IN THEIR BACKGROUND THAT IS HEINOUS.

KAVANAUGH, ALLAH THIS GUY, ALLAH HOW MANY OTHERS.

WHEN -- ESPECIALLY TO YOU CONGRESSWOMAN, ONE WILL BE A LAW WHERE IF A GUY OR WOMAN LIES DURING CABINET DOOR, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL JUDGE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS, THEY GET BOOTED?

>> THIS IS MALPRACTICE ON THE PART OF THE FBI.

ANY PRESIDENT, ANY APPOINTING OFFICIAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN WARNED.

THIS IS IN THIS MAN'S BACKGROUND, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK, MAY BE THEY DID WARN.

MAYBE HE PROCEEDED.

MAYBE EVEN IF -- AND I CAN GIVE YOU REASONS WHY, IN FACT, MAY HAVE NOT SEEMED AS BAD AS IT DID, IT ALWAYS WOULD HAVE HAD THAT APPEARANCE FOR WHOEVER APPOINTED HIM.

THE RISK WAS THE PRESIDENT'S TAKE, PERHAPS HE DID NOT KNOW IT, BUT IT'S COMING BACK TO HAUNT HIM NOW -- >> LIVES, THANK YOU AND WELCOME TO THE PANEL.

VAN ES CONGRESSMAN FROM MARYLAND.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT THINK ABOUT ALLOWING SOMEBODY WHO CAME OUT AFTERWARDS, DID SOMETHING EITHER HEINOUS OR CRIMINAL, STAYING IN A VERY IMPORTANT GOVERNMENT JOB.

>> I'M CONFUSED.

DID ACOSTA DO THIS CRIME OR IS IT SOMEONE ELSE -- >> Bonnie: HE WAS A PROSECUTOR WHO GAVE A SWEETHEART DEAL TO EPSTEIN, INCLUDING 13 MONTHS IN JAIL AND BEING SO FAR BACK AND FORTH TO YOUR OFFICE SIX DAYS A WEEK.

>> AT THE GOVERNOR AT THE TIME WAS CHRISTIE.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO AND WHAT EVERYBODY KNEW.

IF YOU ALL KNOW DAISY -- >> Bonnie: CHRISTIE WAS GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY CHARLIE CRIST.

>> > CREST.

>> > EVERYONE IN THAT AREA ON THE UPPER ECHELON OF SOCIETY KNOWS EVERYONE.

EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON KNOWS, MIAMI , EVERYONE KNEW WHAT THIS MAN WAS DOING AND HAS KNOWN FOR 25 YEARS.

IF ANYTHING, GOING BACK TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, PROSECUTING ISSUES ARE NEVER BLACK-AND-WHITE GRADE PUBLIC ON LOVES TO THINK THAT THEY ARE THIS WAY.

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES, THERE'S A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE OFFICE AND I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME PRESSURE FROM THE UPPER ECHELONSO SAY IT'S TRUMP AND HIS BACKSTORY ABOUT HIS AFFINITY TO WOMEN, BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, IS AT A FRIEND TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO THIS DAY WHO ARE SEX TRAFFICKED FROM THE AGE OF FIVE ALL THE WAY UP TO 25.

MARYLAND IS THE NUMBER FOUR STATE OF SEX TRAFFICKING.

WHY ARE WE NOT FOCUSING ON THAT?

WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACOSTA?

>> Bonnie: THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER DESCRIBE TRUMP'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN AS AN AFFINITY FOR BEAUTIFUL WOMEN.

>> WOMEN , YOUNG WOMEN, THEY WERE NOT JUST UNDERAGE, BUT THEY WERE REALLY YOUNG.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW THESE VICTIMS WERE TREATED.

>> THIS IS DISGUSTING> WE SHOULD CALL THESE PEOPLE GIRLS.

THEY WERE CHILDREN.

SO THIS KIND OF NOTION THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT -- BY THE WAY, I LET IT SLIDE BEFORE BUT IT'S CONNECTED.

THE IDEA YOU CONNECT BILL CLINTON TO, YOU KNOW, JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S CRIME IS NAUSEATING.

THESE ARE CHILDREN.

PEOPLE DID GET THROUGH IT.

ACOSTA WAS IN A POSITION OF POWER AS THE PROSECUTOR TO GIVE A TOUGHER , RECOMMEND TOUGHER SENTENCE FOR A JUDGE TO APPROVE.

MAYBE IT WAS A CONSPIRACY OF PRESSURE ON HIM, MAYBE IT WAS NOT.

TO DEFEND THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THIS PRESIDENT IS THAT WE JUST DON'T -- THEY DON'T HAVE IT FOR THESE THINGS.

WE HAD THAT WITH SECRETARY OF DEFENSE SHANAHAN IN THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS PROBLEMS WITH APPOINTEES , DISCOVERED THE PROBLEM AND PUSHES THEM AWAY TO DEFLECT ATTENTION FROM HIS OWN TROUBLES.

>> THIS IS SO MUCH BIGGER -- >> HE TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY.

>> IT'S ABOUT THE ELITE HIDING, MISDEEDS OF BAD EXCELLENCE OF THE ELITE.

THERE ARE YOUNGER WOMEN, THANK GOD THE #METOO MOVEMENT HELP THESE WOMEN SPEAK OUT .

REPORTERS IN MIAMI, HAD THEY NOT DONE THEIR JOB, JEFFREY EPSTEIN WOULD NOT BE IN SHACKLES TODAY .

I MEAN, BUT ONE THING IS TRUE.

I'VE BEEN UPSET HOW THE RIGHT IS RESPONDING TO THIS.

ONE THING IS TRUE: BILL CLINTON, HE KNEW JEFFREY AND EPSTEIN.

THEIR REPORTS THEY SPENT TIME TOGETHER.

THIS IS ABOUT UPSCALE MEN IN THE HIGHER ECHELONS OF SOCIETY COVERING UP EACH OTHER'S MISDEEDS.

IT'S DISGUSTING.

>> SPEAKING OF ME TOO, TELL THE AUDIENCE YOUR ROLE IN THE #METOO MOVEMENT.

>> I AM A COFOUNDER OF THE TIMES OF LEGAL DEFENSE FUND DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO ME.

I THINK RINA SHAH IS RIGHT -- >> IS IT A VICTORY?

>> I THINK IT'S A VICTORY IN THAT -- FOR THESE WOMEN AS OPPOSED TO FOR SOCIETY.

WHAT WE SAW OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS IS THESE -- NOW THEY ARE YOUNG WOMEN, RIGHTHEY ARE 18, 19, 20 AND THEY ARE SPEAKING UP.

I THINK THEY HAVE FELT COURAGE TO DO THAT BECAUSE OTHER WOMEN HAVE SPOKEN UP AS SURVIVOR AS WELL.

>> JUST TO PUT A LAWYER'S PLAYED HIM ON THIS, WHAT DID HE MEAN?

WHAT IS THE REAL DEFENSE?

REMEMBER, HE FOCUSED ON THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING 14-YEAR-OLDS, 16-YEAR-OLDS TO TESTIFY AND THEN CROSS-EXAMINE.

I TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH.

THEIR LAWYERS HAVE RESPONDED THAT THEY -- FIRST OF ALL, THIS DEAL WAS HIDDEN FROM THEM, WHICH IT SEEMS TO ME IS DAMNING.

NO ONE SAID, IS THERE ANY -- ARE THERE ANY GIRLS WHO ARE WILLING TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED?

WE HAVE TO TAKE -- THIS IS A GOOD LEGAL SYSTEM WE HAVE.

YOU CAN'T ACCUSE SOMEBODY.

THIS WILL REQUIRE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WORK IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO PROSECUTE HIM, AND I THINK YOU MAKE THE POINTF YOU WANT TO PROSECUTE HIM, WHY ADD TO THE DEAL BY SAYING SIX DAYS A WEEK YOU GET TO GO TO YOUR OFFICE?

>> THE OTHER POINT RINA SHAH MADE IS IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PERVASIVE PROBLEM.

SEX TRAFFICKING OF WOMEN.

>> BOTH PARTIES.

>> BOYS TOO.

>> IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE WOKEN THE WORLD UP AND AWAY, SAME WAY HARVEY WEINSTEIN WOKE UP MANY PEOPLE TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT ON THE JOB.

WHEN YOU TAKE DOWN, TOPPLE A MAN OF POWER, OTHER MEN GET MORE FEARFUL AND WOMEN FEEL MORE EMPOWERED.

THAT IS A GOOD THING.

>> LAST WORD.

>> THE NEXT GROUP WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR PARTNERS OF LAW FIRMS WHO ARE WOMEN WHO ARE BASICALLY MAKING YOUNG ASSOCIATES THEIR SEX SLAVES IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD.

>> SEXUAL PRESERVATION -- >> THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN D.C. >> WHAT ARE YOU BASING THAT ON?

>> I HAVE NOT HEARD OF -- >> THERE ARE LAWSUITS BEING STIFLED IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

THAT IS WHAT IRKS US SO MUCH, IS THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE, WHETHER HOLLYWOOD OR NEW YORK, ANY SEAT OF POWER, PEOPLE IN D.C. HAVE BINDERS FULL OF ISSUES THAT THEY USE TO CONTROL POLITICIANS THROUGHOUT THEIR -- >> YOU HAVE CREDIBLE STORIES OF THAT KIND OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, GIVE THEM TO ME.

I HAVE REPORTERS OUT THE KAZOO LOOKING TO EXPOSES.

>> WE WILL DO THAT.

>> WE CANNOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF FRETTING.

WE HAVE TO BE IN THE WITNESS OF EXPOSING.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM TRAFFICKING TO THE SPORTS AND POLITICS OF EQUAL PAY.

>> HAVE THE USA WOMEN'S SOCCER FOUR-TIME WORLD CUP-WINNING TEAM MADE THE ISSUE OF EQUAL PAY PASSEE, WHILE SETTING THE TREND FOR TALK OF BETTER PAY FOR WOMEN WHO OUTSHINE MALE COUNTERPARTS?

SOME SAY THE ANSWER TO THAT IS A RESOUNDING YES.

THIS WEEK THE TEAM WAS GIVEN A TICKER-TAPE PARADE THROUGH MANHATTAN AND ACCEPTED AN INVITATION TO VISIT CAPITOL HILL OFFERED BY THE LEADING SENATE AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS.

TWENTY-EIGHT TEAM MEMBERS ARE SUING THE U.S. SOCCER FEDERATION FOR DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID LESS FOR WHAT THEY SAY IS b COMPARED WITH THE MEN'S TEAM.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER WANTS THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER TO BRING TO THE FLOOR A BILL MAKING IT EASIER FOR WOMEN TO GET EQUAL PAY AT WORK.

AND THE HOPE IS THE BILL WILL PASS WHEN THE TEAM IS IN D.C. >> Bonnie: IS THERE GOING TO BE IN A BILL AS MITCH McCONNELL, LETTING THE BUILDING TO THE FLOOR TO LET WOMEN GET EQUAL PAY?

>> Rina: HE IS NOT.

HE IS ALWAYS WITH THE GROUP OF WOMEN ON THE RIGHT THAT SAVE IT'S NOT ABOUT EQUAL PAY.

THERE IS ACTUALLY NO DISCREPANCY IN HOW WOMEN ARE PAID IN THE WORKFORCE.

THAT IS WHAT THE RIGHT ALWAYS LEADS WITH.

I DO NOT THINK LEADER McCONNELL WILL DO THAT -- >> WHAT ABOUT THE SNUB?

I THOUGHT THE REASON WOULD BE BECAUSE THESE YOUNG WOMEN ARE COMING TO VISIT AT THE DEMOCRATS INVITATION TO GO TO CAPITOL HILL AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESIDENT'S WOULD HAVE BEEN INVITATION TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

>> I HATE THAT SOCCER HAS BECOME PART OF THIS MOVEMENT BECAUSE I GREW UP PLAYING.

I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE WE HAVE THESE WOMEN THAT ARE PURE ATHLETES, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

PULL IT TO THE FORGET POLITICAL ACTIVISM OR WHAT THEY SAY THEY WANT, A WORLD TITLE.

THIS IS ABOUT THEM USING THEIR PLATFORM FOR GOOD.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM SPEAKING OUT AND VOICING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT WHO WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR WHO IS IN CONGRESS OR ANY OF THAT.

I DO THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT MEGAN RAPINOE TALKS ABOUT .

SHE IS THE BREAKOUT STAR, OBVIOUSLY.

SHE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMICS.

IF YOU SUPPORT OUR TEAM, BY OUR TICKETS, MERCHANDISE, SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT'S WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BUILD THE WOMEN'S TEAM UP EVEN MORE SO THAN ALREADY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE .

AS A CONSERVATIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS SAY.

IT'S THE PROBLEM AND THE ISSUE OF THE BUSINESS MODEL.

I LOOKED AT A NEW YORK TIMES -- WHEN THEY WANT TO DO GOOD JOURNALISM, THEY DO.

2016 ARTICLE ABOUT THE BIAS OF PAY.

AS OF 2016, THE REVENUES OF WOMEN'S SOCCER ACTUALLY EXCEEDED THAT OF MEN.

WE HAVE NOW PROFITED MORE THAN MEN DO.

THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF VIDEOS IN CHRISSY'S IN THE SPORTS WORLD AND ALSO WITH FIFA.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

>> I UNDERSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE EVERY HOW MANY YEARS THE WORLD CUP IS PLAYED, THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF PUBLICITY AND FEELING OF WOMEN BUT THE REST OF THE TIME GLOBALLY THE VIEWERSHIP IS WAY MORE OF MEN PLAYING.

>> WE TALK ABOUT BEING ABLE TO PLAY.

I WAS A FORMER ATHLETE AS WELL WITH LACROSSE.IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ON A GLOBAL SCALE, BUT WE IN THE UNITED STATES, AGAIN, THANK GOODNESS FOR TITLE IX, WE WERE ABLE TO PLAY.

THERE ARE SO MANY GIRLS AND WOMEN AROUND THE WORLD WHO CANNOT EVEN PLAY.

A LOT OF LATIN COUNTRIES ARE VERY MISOGYNISTIC AND WILL NOT YET ALLOW YOUNG GIRLS TO PLAY PARTICULARLY FOOTBALL SOCCER.

I WENT TO COMMEND THEM ALL FOR REPRESENTING WHAT WE AS THIS COUNTRY HAVE FOUGHT FOR.

IS THERE ISSUE WITH ECONOMICS?

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT U.S. SOCCER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELEVATE.

>> LOOK, I THINK YOU ARE SUGARCOATING THIS IN A WAY, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET TO PAY EQUITY.

IF THERE WERE, WE WOULD HAVE SOLVED IT A LONG TIME AGO.

THE THREE COMPONENTS EVERYONE ALWAYS SAYS, PRIVATE SECTOR HAS TO DO BETTER, HAS TO CARE MORE, ENGAGE MORE WITH THEIR OWN NUMBERS AND DATA.

BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR HAS A ROLE TO PLAY.

THAT ROLE IS THIS: THESE TEAM OWNERS, COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THEY GET BENEFIT TO THE GOVERNMENT BENEFITS.

THEY GET TAX BENEFITS, SUPPORT, THEY GET, YOU KNOW, STATE AND GOVERNMENT FUNDED UNIVERSITIES SUPPORTING THEIR PLAYERS AND SERVING AS RECRUITMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFIT THAT THE PUBLIC IT GIVES TO THESE TEAM OWNERS.

THE IDEA THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC PAYBACK, THAT THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT ROLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

YOU HAVE TO PAY IT WOMEN EQUALLY MAKES NO SENSE.

>> [CROSS TALK] >> WE SHOULD REQUIRE PAY EQUITY FROM FEDERAL LEGISLATION FOR ALL -- >> WHAT ABOUT FOR GOVERNMENT AND THE BUILDING OBAMA SIGNED?

THE ONE NAMED AFTER THE WOMAN WHO WAS IN THE AUTO INDUSTRY, I THINK, IN THE SOUTH.

>> LILY LATMAN.

>> THAT ACT, THAT DID NOT DO IT?

>> WHAT IT WAS WAS A DATA COLLECTION.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE DATA IS THERE IS NOT ENOUGH EQUITY.

WHAT WE HAVE SEEN NOW WITH WOMEN'S SOCCER IS THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE SPONSORING, THE NETWORKS THAT ARE GETTING RECORD RATINGS, THEY ARE ALL PROFITING.

THEY ARE PROFITING MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING WOMEN LESS.

THAT'S NOT OKAY.

>> WILL WE EVER GET -- WHILE REPUBLICANS CONTROL WHEN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR THE OTHER, OR THE WHITE HOUSE, WILL BE EVER GET A FAIR PAYOUT?

>> NOT WITHOUT A CHANGE IN THE PRESENT LEGISLATION.

THESE ARE TEAMS, NOT THE WORKPLACE YOU AND I ARE USED TO.

COMPETITORS SPORTS ARE DIFFERENT.

WOMEN'S SPORTS HAVE A REAL DIFFICULTY HERE.

IT HAS TO DO WITH PRIVATE BUSINESS AND WITH REVENUE GIVEN THE WAY IT IS CHARTED THAT THE MEN BRING IN VERSUS THE WOMEN.

THIS IS THE FUNCTIONAL OF WOMEN'S SPORTS, PERIOD.

>> IN THE U.S., IT IS.

>> ADVERTISEMENTS IS WHERE -- >> SEPARATE FROM AUDIENCE.

>> YES, WHICH IS HOW THIS BIG BUCKS AS UP FOR THE MEN.

THAT IS VERY HARD IN A MARKET ECONOMY TO JUST UNDO.

THAT IS WHY THE REMEDY BEING SOUGHT HERE IS NOT JUST IN THE COURTS, BUT IN THE SENATE ALREADY.

HOPE THERE IS A COMPARABLE BILL.

IF NOT, I WILL INTRODUCE IT MYSELF AND THE HOUSE IS BEING INTRODUCED IN THE CONGRESS TO SEE IF LEGISLATIVELY WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT.

NOT LIKE YOU AND ME, GRANDMOTHER'S WORKPLACE.

>> GO BACK TO WORK.

SEE IF THERE WAS A BILL.

>> THE WEST SUBSIDIZES SOCCER.

JOE MANCHIN PRODUCED A BILL THAT SAYS UNTIL YOU PLAY OF THE PAY U.S.

TEAMS EQUALLYT SUBSIDIES ANYMORE.

>> FROM EQUAL PAY TO DEMOCRATIC DIVIDES.

HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI WANTS TO KEEP THE INFIGHTING BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

RESPONDING TO A TWEET BY FRESHMAN REPRESENTATIVE ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ'S CHIEF OF STAFF THAT COMPARED CENTRIST DEMOCRATS TO SEGREGATIONISTS, PELOSI REPORTEDLY TOLD THE RANK AND FILE THAT IF THERE'S A PROBLEM MEMBERS SHOULD COME TO HER AND NOT TAKE TO TWITTER.

OCASIO-CORTEZ HAS COMPLAINED THAT PELOSI IS SINGLING OUT NEWLY ELECTED WOMEN OF COLOR INCLUDING HER, ILHAN OMAR OF MINNEAPOLIS, RASHIDA TLAIB OF MICHIGAN AND AYANNA PRESSLEY OF MASSACHUSETTS.

>> Bonnie: SO HILARY, AS I SEE IT, IT IS MS. BE ON THE SIDE OF THE SPEAKER AND THE ROMPER RUMORS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

NO LOYAL PARTISAN EVER HAS HER CHIEF OF STAFF TO SOMETHING LIKE CALLING OTHER DEMOCRATS SEGREGATIONISTS, AND THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR, I MEAN, WHAT SHOULD THE SPEAKER DO ABOUT IT?

>> I THINK THAT TWEET IN PARTICULAR WENT TOO FAR.

FIRST OF ALL, I WILL SAY I DO NOT THINK THAT ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ SUGGESTED THAT THERE WAS RACISM ASSOCIATED WITH THE SPEAKER'S ACTIONS.

WHAT SHE SAID WAS, WE ARE FOUR WOMEN OF COLOR AND WE FEEL VULNERABLE THINK THAT WHAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING IS THEY HAVE BEEN ELECTED AS PART OF A NEW AND ENERGETIC DEMOCRATIC PARTY MOTIVATED IN PART BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT WING CRAZINESS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A VOICE.

AND I DO THINK THAT, LOOK, I HAVE KNOWN THAT NANCY PELOSI -- CANNOT WAIT TO HEAR WHAT ELEANOR SAYS.

I'VE KNOWN NANCY PELOSI FOR 35 YEARS.

SHE WAS THE ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ OF HER TIME.

SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT SEEKING CHANGE, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY.

>> I COVERED HER IN THE '80S.

SHE PLAYED BY THE PARTY RULES, NEVER INSULTED HER LEADER.

>> AGAIN, I DON'T THINK SHE'S INSULTING HER LEADER.

I THINK THEY ARE ASKING FOR RESPECT.

>> SHE IS INSULTING ME, SHE'S INSULTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN SHE PLAYS THE RACE CARD.

WHENEVER SOMEONE PLAYS THE RACE CARD, THEY HAVE NO RETORT.

THEY POUR RACE OUT.

DEMOCRATS DON'T USUALLY DO THAT, PARTICULARLY NANCY PELOSI FROM SAN FRANCISCO WHO HELPED US GET THE HOUSE BACK AND WHO IS TRYING TO PROTECT 40 NEW MEMBERS WHO CAME FROM TRUMP DISTRICTS.

SHE IS TRYING TO PROTECT TODAY'S MODERN MEMBERS SO THAT WE KEEP THE HOUSE.

THESE SPONGES, YOUNG WOMEN, NOTICE THAT THEY TALK ABOUT BEING A MINORITY FOUR AND VOTING AGAINST A BILL THAT EVERYONE ELSE VOTED FOR, I SAY ALL POWER TO THEM.

BUT JUST RESPOND IN KIND, DON'T RESPOND IN RACE.

NOT WITHIN OUR CAUCUS.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

THE BLACK CAUCUS IS IN ARMS.

IT WAS OUR BECAUSE HE OR -- OCASIO-CORTEZ HE PUT THE RACE CARD INTO THIS AND SOME OF THEM ARE TRYING TO BACK OFF OF THAT.

SO NOW YOU HAVE GOT THAT 53 PERSON BLACK CAUCUS SAYING OH, NO YOU DON'T.

WE DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF RACIAL DISCORD WITHIN OUR PARTY.

>> IS THIS EVERY REPUBLICAN'S DREAM?> IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY LEFT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN 2014 bÃÃ15, TO BLAME IT ON TRUMP IS SHORTSIGHTED OF THE FIRST DEMOCRAT MEETING I WENT TO WAS 2000 SEVEN WHEN HILLARY'S AND BARACK'S DELEGATES WERE SPLIT.

REMEMBER THAT?

THE SPLIT OF THE PARTY HAS BEEN -- EVEN BEFORE THAT, BUT THAT WAS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE.

I THINK THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PUSHING DOWN YOUNG LEADERS, ACTUALLY CORTEZ WAS BORN IN 1989.

I WAS NINE.

YOU WERE ELECTED TO CONGRESS THE YEAR AFTER.

SO TO SAY THAT THERE IS NOT -- >> WHAT IS THAT?

>> AS A FORMER DEMOCRAT, IT WAS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY HARD TO WAIT YOUR TURN.

THE BENCH IS RIDICULOUSLY LONG, AND IT'S ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF THE FACT THAT THESE YOUNG NEWCOMERS HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP TO PARTISAN POLITICS.

IF ANYTHING, THEY WENT STRAIGHT LEFT AND I RETURNED BACK TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE WE KNEW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AS IT STOOD, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, 14 YEARS, 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS, HAD NO FUTURE FOR PEOPLE LIKE US.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN IN YOUR RESUME A CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST AND I WENT AND LOOKED UP ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ'S POPULARITY IN HER HOME DISTRICT.

ACCORDING TO NEW YORK POLL IN MARCH, SHE HAD MORE HIGH FAVORABLES NEXT 60 SOMETHING VERSUS TEXT E- 40 SOMETHING.

IN MAY, AFTER SHE KICKED AMAZON OUT OF PART OF HER DISTRICT, HER DISTRICT TURNS AGAINST HER.

>> TO ME, SHE SEEMS LIKE A SCREAMER.

>> TO DO THIS AGAINST HER OWN PARTY, WILL SHE LAST MORE THAN ONE TERM?

>> I FIND IT HARD TO SEE HER LASTING.

I ENJOY HER APPEAL AND I THINK IT'S COOL FOR YOUNG WOMEN TO HAVE SUCH BROAD APPEAL, SOMEONE LIKE HER WHO IS ENERGIZING AND HAS THAT ENERGY, SHE'S GREAT TO RELATE TO.

NEEDS TO FIRE THEIR CHIEF OF STAFF.

EVERY TIME SHE'S IN TROUBLE, IT'S BECAUSE OF HIM.

HE SPAT ON ADVICE.

>> TELL HER TO GET RID OF AMAZON?

>> BACK ACROSS THE BOARD.

THE RACE ISSUE -- LOOK, I AM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF NOT REALIZING THE COLOR OF MY OWN SKIN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK NANCY PELOSI IN HER HEART OF HEARTS WANTS TO MAKE A RACE THING WITH THIS SQUAD, BECAUSE SHE -- >> WHAT IS THE BEST WAY -- WE ALL UNDERSTAND POLITICS IS POLITICS AND BOATS ARE VOTES.

YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN OFF ANY OF THE HARD LEFT YOUTH .

>> BEST THING FOR NANCY PELOSI TO DO IS TO TELL HER FRIENDS WHO ARE MORE MATURE, CHILL, THEY ARE YOUNG, ANXIOUS TO MAKE A MARK AND SPEND PRIVATE TIME WITH THESE WOMEN.

>> I WISH HE HAD DONE THAT.

>> THAT IS THE BEST THING FOR HER TO DO, BECAUSE, REALLY, WHAT THEY ARE -- THEY HAVE THE ENTHUSIASM OF YOUTH IN THIS PARTY.

THEY HAVE ENERGIZED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

>> THAT IS ALL FOR THIS ADDITION.

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